Daughters Who Kill

Lizzie Borden took an ax, gave her mother forty whacks. When she saw what she had done, she gave her father forty-one. Lizzie Borden is arguably the most infamous case of parricide, although she was acquitted of the murders of her father and step-mother. But, Lizzie was by no means the last time a daughter killed her father or had her father killed. Today’s perpetrators are far from a modern-day Lizzie Borden, but the acts were no less horrific.

Marlene Olive

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The Woman Who Stole Vermeer: A conversation W/ Author Anthony Amore

Rose Dugdale’s life is singularly notorious. Born into extreme wealth (she was a member of the last class of debutantes who were presented to the Queen), she abandoned her life as an Oxford-trained Ph.D. and heiress to join the cause of Irish Republicanism. While on the surface she appears to be the British version of Patricia Hearst, she is anything but. Dugdale ran head-first towards the action, spearheading the first aerial terrorist attack in British history by dropping bombs on a police station. Later, Dugdale was the mastermind and leader of the biggest art theft of her time, when she led a gang into the opulent Russborough House in Ireland to make off with millions in prized paintings, including a work by the mysterious master Johannes Vermeer. Dugdale thus became— to this day—the only woman to pull off a major art heist. The Woman Who Stole Vermeer will examine the likelihood that this was not her only such heist. Rose Dugdale was truly ahead of her time. It’s the perfect book for a wide audience. It will appeal to fans of true crime, fine art, and third-wave feminism.

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Joel Guy Jr.

Money brings out the worst in many of us, even family members. As we have seen before, sons have even killed their parents for money. But rarely is a murder so meticulously planned out as the one we discuss this week.

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The Case of David Camm: did he do it?

Despite many advances in forensic science, people are still convicted on the testimony of people who call themselves experts. Some of the testimony and evidence is based on what lawyers and other scientists call junk science. For one man, junk science meant 13 years in prison, before the expert witness was finally debunked.

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GetVokl: Into The Forest And All The Way Through w. Author Cynthia Pelayo

Into The Forest And The Way Through (release date: August 28, 2020). It’s a sobering look at missing and murdered women of color whose stories often go ignored, their killers never held to account, and it’s a searing call to arms to examine these wounds.

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Cynthia (Cina) Pelayo grew up in a haunted house with very superstitious parents in inner-city Chicago. She went on to pursue a Master of Fine Art in Writing at The School of the Art Institute of Chicago where she says she majored in the macabre. Pelayo’s short story collection, Loteria, is a collection of 54 short stories that explores Latin American superstition, folklore, legend, and myth.

She is the Publisher/Gravedigger of Burial Day Books, a boutique horror press. She lives with her husband and two angry Shih Tzus in the very neighborhood she was raised. She wears black—most of the time—and she stays out of the sun as much as (un)humanly possible.

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Víctor Saldaño

Victor Saldano was convicted of murder and sentenced to death for a murder he committed in Plano, Texas. His mental state has declined severely and it brings into question, should we reconsider the death penalty for those who experience a severe mental defect as a result of the isolation they experience on death row? Share your thoughts below. 

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The Murder of Tara Grant

Passion fuels many emotions and reactions: love and lust, anger and murder. Today, we talk about one man’s fury and how it affected many lives. It’s unique, too, because quite a bit of information came out after the trial.

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Chris Dankovich

 Losing a loved one to murder is perhaps one of the most traumatic things a family can imagine. That trauma is further compounded when the death comes at the hands of someone the victim knew and loved, someone they trusted. Perhaps the most unimaginable of all is a murder committed against a mother, by her son – her own flesh and blood. Today we’ll discuss the tragic death of Diane Michele and how even though her son Christopher Dankovich brutally cut her life short, their family still found the compassion within their hearts to forgive him.  The family did this knowing that kindness is what Diane herself would have wanted, and they did their best to pull together and honor her death with love and forgiveness.

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Chris Dankovich

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The Boles Family Massacre

The murder of an entire family is an incredible tragedy, but when no apparent motive exists, and the case remains unsolved, it is a double tragedy. Today’s episode is about a case that is 55 years old, with no arrests made, and very few clues to go on. These murders are plagued with more questions than answers.

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A Gun In My Gucci w/ Author Elaine Smith

A Gun in My Gucci is a true story of two “outsiders” who helped bring down the Chicago Mob — the middle-aged mobster Ken “Tokyo Joe” Eto, and a determined young woman, Elaine Corbitt Smith. In the early 1980s, Joe Eto was the highest-ranking Asian-American mob associate in the country. His nemesis, rookie Elaine Smith was one of a few female Special Agents in the FBI at that time. Only three percent of FBI Agents were women in 1979. Her relentless pursuit of Eto resulted in his detention by the Bureau on interstate gambling charges. Afraid that he would “spill his guts”, Eto’s Mob bosses decided not to gamble on Joe’s ability to remain silent. He had to be eliminated and a “hit” was ordered. Joe Eto would never talk, nevertheless the Mob still tried to kill him. But the “hit” was botched and Tokyo Joe walked away with three bullets in his head. Alive, with his honor intact, he was now released from any loyalty to the mob. He was ready to talk, but only to Special Agent Elaine Smith. Over time, Eto’s testimony released a waterfall of evidence and information which led to arrests, convictions, and long sentences for many of Chicago’s top mobsters. A Gun in My Gucci reveals the special relationship between Joe Eto and his FBI handler Elaine Smith, who went from school teacher to crime-buster. Smith’s story exposes her tough climb up the ladder of acceptance and ultimate success as she broke into the macho, male-dominated criminal justice system, and helped take down the Chicago Outfit.

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Ghouls of New York

For most people, when they bury their loved ones, they expect to grieve and for the deceased to rest in peace. Unfortunately, throughout history, and even today, the deceased and their families fall victim to graverobbers, or bodysnatchers. Most people are not aware this gruesome practice still occurs, but in the mid-2000s, thousands of families discovered their loved ones’ corpses had been desecrated.

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Savage Appetites: A conversation with author Rachel Monroe

This is a departure from what you’re used to hearing. Since I have been shuffling my recording equipment around, I didn’t have enough time to get my regular set up ready before needing to record this episode. Instead, I wanted to give you an idea of what our GetVokl streams are like. I would love for you to join me every Thursday at 7pm CST to talk with new authors and other true crime topics. We at TCFC thank you for your support and will have a regular episode next week!

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Duty to Warn

The medical system prides itself on following the Hippocratic oath – never revealing the secrets of patients. Even in some legal cases, medical records cannot be released without subpoenas or warrants. This has made it possible for psychiatric patients to make threats while in therapy, without worrying their therapist will report the threats to the police or the intended victim. Today, we have three cases where victims and their families questioned whether therapists have a duty to warn.

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Mia Zapata

The grunge rock scene exploded in Seattle, Washington, in the early ’90s. Bands like Nirvana were rising in popularity, but Seattle called itself home to many up and coming stars. Many of those bands vied for their chance to play at the Comet Tavern, a local bar that still stands today. Mia Zapata and her band, The Gits, were one of the grunge rock bands that were on their way to top. They put in the work, and while they weren’t overnight sensations, they rocked their way to a steady climb upwards. The Gits signed a record deal with the famed Atlantic Records, made an album, and scheduled a tour. Life was going exactly how Mia Zapata always dreamed it would. Until 1993, the night when the devil himself attacked Mia, brutally robbing her life and the world of her music.

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The Wood Family Massacre

Florida is not a stranger to violent and shocking crimes. But, one crime in Tampa is still remembered for its brutality, over 30 years later. What caused a meek, mild-mannered man to slaughter an entire family, including an eight and a half-month old fetus, ripped from its mother’s belly?

Newton Slawson

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The Murder of Timothy MacNeil

Teenagers that kill aren’t widespread. Murderous youngsters is a disturbing thought for most people. An even more troubling idea is that those teenagers, a sibling duo no less, would plot and carry out a plan to murder the only adult that ever protected them. Together, 19-year old Nathaniel Gann and his 17-year old sister Brae Hansen killed their step-father, Timothy MacNeil, in cold blood. They did it simply because Timothy told Brae that she would have to move out of his house when she turned 18, which she deemed unacceptable. Nathan didn’t hesitate to help his sister with her deadly deed, agreeing to help kill the only man they ever considered a father. Murder most certainly is not the typical response to teenage anger. Today’s story is a tragic one, about a pair of siblings who killed, for no other motive than plain old selfishness.

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Robert Carr

Very few rapists seem to be in touch with their sexual deviance and proclivities; fewer still ask to remain behind bars, to protect the public. But one mild-mannered, unassuming rapist-killer did just that, but was released on parole anyway. The results were devastating for many.

Robert Carr

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Cherish Perrywinkle

Listener discretion is strongly advised for this episode. There are approximately 750,000 registered sex offenders in the United States. These predators are bound by law to check in when they move, so children in the community can be protected. Unfortunately, the registry and prison does not always work for some offenders. Such was the case on June 21st, 2013, in Jacksonville, Florida, when a repeat offender selected his next victim. ok, on to the show. 

Cherish Perrywinkle

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Mark Stroman

The events of September 11th, 2001, left America reeling. Most of us felt bewildered, shocked, and saddened. We took those feelings and rallied together, doing whatever we could to help the victims of the worst terrorist attack to take place on American soil. But some of us couldn’t shake the overwhelming feeling of rage towards the perpetrators of the attack. They looked at their neighbors, the ones who spoke with certain accents, talked in different languages, or wore certain types of clothing and deemed them the enemy. Violence against the Muslim community, as well as those mistaken as Muslim, began in earnest as fear and anger began to take over a portion of the American population. One of those people was Mark Anthony Stroman, a man who saw himself as a patriot who was exacting revenge against the victims of 9/11 as he went on a killing spree in Dallas, Texas.

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Sophia Torres

On a November night, in 1996, a reclusive, homeless Hispanic woman, named Sophia Torres, was walking to a friend’s home, around 10:00 at night. She took a shortcut through a dark park, but this decision cost her her life. With no leads, and no reason anyone would have to kill the shy woman, would her killer be found?

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The Assassination of Det. Thomas Williams

On Halloween, 1985, an hour after leaving the courtroom, a Los Angeles Police Department Detective was assassinated in front of his small son. His last act of love was to protect his child. A police detective has many enemies, so would they find his killer?

Det. Thomas Williams

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Sante & Kenny Kimes

The bond between a mother and child is a strong one. Most mothers would do anything for their child and vice versa. Some would even kill for their child. But what happens when a mother recruits her son to aid in her life of crime, which included offenses ranging from petty theft to murder? That is precisely what happened with today’s story about Sante and her son, Kenny Kimes Jr. A mother-son duo that became unlikely, yet dangerous criminals, taking the lives of at least three innocent people.

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Listen to Criminal Conduct: On September 2nd, 2010, 24-year-old Michelle O’Connell broke up with her boyfriend, St. Johns County Sheriff’s Deputy, Jeremy Banks. Minutes later, she was dead.

The St. Johns Sheriff’s Office quickly ruled the case a suicide, without examining crucial forensic evidence or interviewing any key witnesses. A medical examiner ruled her death a homicide, yet other investigations failed to gain traction. Her boyfriend, Deputy Jeremy Banks was never charged and is still working as a St. Johns County Sheriff’s Deputy.

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The Letters – E2

I’ve debated on how to proceed with the letters. At first, I wanted to share various inmates’ stories but, the person I speak to consistently is Milishia. So, this season if you will – I will be sharing our correspondence. Just a recap from episode one, I started my correspondence with inmates across various states over the summer. I wanted to reach out and have conversations with those who are overlooked because their crimes only made blips in the newspaper. I am not advocating or expressing support for these people or their crimes, however, I do want to share their stories. Perhaps you know someone who is incarcerated for similar crimes or maybe this is the first time you’re considering reaching out to an inmate.

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The Amato Family Murders

When most people think about the state of Florida, they imagine happy thoughts of sun, sand, ocean, and Disney World. It is a vacation destination for most. The Amato family were life-long residents of Chuluota, Florida. They were a happy, fun-loving group that loved their home state very much. The family never missed a Florida Gators home game and were quite active in many outdoor sports. However, their sunny, happy lives came to a violent and bloody end on January 24th, 2018, when the youngest of the Amato boys, Grant, brutally murdered his mom, dad, and brother, all because they refused to continue bailing Grant out of trouble.

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Sabrina Limon

In his mind, their love affair was a modern-day David and Bathsheba. In the BIble, David sent Bathsheba’s husband, Uriah, off to the front during a war, so David and Bathsheba could be together. His plan worked, Uriah was killed, David’s reputation was spared, and he and Bathsheba were together, with no one else the wiser. If only it had been that easy for Jonathan Hearn and Sabrina Limon.

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Ron Lafferty

On the evening of July 24th, 1984, Brenda Lafferty and her daughter, Erica were brutally murdered in their little apartment in a small suburb of Salt Lake City called American Fork, Utah. The men that attacked Brenda and her child were on a mission. One of the attackers, Ron Lafferty, claimed God sent him on this mission to ‘remove’ Brenda and several others to right the wrongs he felt were committed against him. 

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Marvallous Keene – Bonus Episode

Dubbed the “Christmas Killings”, the murder rampage claimed the lives of six innocent victims, while injuring two more. What makes this story more tragic is that the killings, while completely random and senseless, were committed by a 19-year old named Marvallous Keene and three members of his teenage gang who called themselves the Downtown Posse.

The Downtown Posse

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The Southside Strangler

In the late ’80s through the early ’90s, Timothy Wilson Spencer was mainly known to the world as The Southside Strangler. However, it was actually the groundbreaking DNA evidence that was used in connection to this case that makes it such an important and relevant case to this day. The same DNA evidence that easily connected Timothy Spencer to each of his cold-blooded murders was the same that was used, for the first time in United States history, to free David Vasquez, an innocent man, from a life sentence in prison for a horrific crime he didn’t commit.  

Timothy Spencer

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Wondery: Anaheim investigator Julissa Trapp is not like other detectives. She’s the only woman on the homicide squad, and a skilled chameleon: undercover cop in vice stings, crime-scene commander, patient confidante of killers. A master interrogator, she invokes her personal experience – and deepest griefs — as a tool to elicit confessions. When a young woman’s body is found at a trash-sorting plant, Trapp learns the murder may be linked to the disappearance of three other women in nearby Santa Ana. Trapp embarks on a dark journey that brings her face to face with a man who takes “a little piece of her soul.” Listen now at wondery.fm/DTfanclub

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Written By: Mari Cole

Researched By: Haley Gray

Edited/Proofread: Brittney Martinez

Produced: We Talk of Dreams

Host: Lanie

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Pastors are supposed to be beyond reproach and on a pedestal. What happens when one falls from grace, for having lust in his heart for a younger woman? Did he kill his wife, or did she take her own life? 

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Wondery: Anaheim investigator Julissa Trapp is not like other detectives. She’s the only woman on the homicide squad, and a skilled chameleon: undercover cop in vice stings, crime-scene commander, patient confidante of killers. A master interrogator, she invokes her personal experience – and deepest griefs — as a tool to elicit confessions. When a young woman’s body is found at a trash-sorting plant, Trapp learns the murder may be linked to the disappearance of three other women in nearby Santa Ana. Trapp embarks on a dark journey that brings her face to face with a man who takes “a little piece of her soul.” Listen now at Wondery.fm/tcfcDT

Written / Research: Suzy St.John
Producer: Nico @ We Talk of Dreams
Content Editor: Brittney Martinez
Host: Lanie